ALICE MAUD GULBRANDSEN
AN INTERVIEW BY DUFF BRENNA
Alice Maud
Guldbrandsen is a painter, writer, and photographer who resides in Copenhagen, Denmark.
Primarily self-taught as an artist, she has also studied painting at the Art
Pedagogical Institute in Frederiksberg, at the Converse College Art Department
in the US, at the Aero School of Continuing Education, and the Borup School of
Continuing Education. Her art has been exhibited at a variety of venues in
Copenhagen, and has also been used on the covers of two novels—The Book of
Mamie (Wordcraft of Oregon, 2005) and The Law of Falling Bodies (Hopewell
Publications, 2007), both by Duff Brenna—as well as to illustrate articles in
the essay collection The Literary Explorer by Walter Cummins and Thomas
E. Kennedy and on-line as illustration for essays on the column of that title
which appears regularly on www.WebDelSol.com.
During
June 2007, she was a Fellow at the Chateau Lavigny Writers Colony. Earlier in
her life she worked for a photography advertising bureau. She has taken
numerous portrait photographs which have been used, inter alia, on book jackets,
as on-line illustrations and in magazines and literary journals.
As a
writer, Alice Maud Guldbrandsen began to publish in her fifties and is the
author of two books: A Nobel House for Doctors (DMA Publishing House,
Copenhagen, 1995), Silence Was My Song (Documentas Publishers, Copenhagen, 2005, hardback; reprinted in paperback in 2007). In addition she has written
and published a number of shorter works, most notably a converted excerpt from
her most recent book, which appeared in Danish in the Copenhagen daily
newspaper, Berlingstidende, an essay in English translation, also
excerpted from the book, which appeared in The Literary Review
(Fairleigh Dickinson University, 2005), and a humorous essay about her earlier
life as a writer, "Not for Girls," which appeared in English as a guest column
essay in "Writers on the Job" (www.WebDelSol.com).
Alice
Maud Guldbrandsen has also held many readings and presentations on the subjects
of her books. In particular demand currently is her presentation on the
subject of her most recent book—Silence Was My Song. During the
last year of the German occupation of Denmark under World War II, when she was
five-years old, the school where she was attending kindergarten was bombed,
and she was buried beneath the rubble for many hours, digging her way out until
the rescue workers found her. The bombing resulted in the deaths of 87
children and 14 adults, and the parents of the children who survived were advised
never to discuss the event with their children. Even the children did not
discuss it among themselves. Nearly sixty years later, Alice Maud Guldbrandsen
broke that silence to gather a dozen of her former classmates and discuss the
experience and how it had affected them for all those years. She gathered
statements from and interviewed thirty-five survivors of the bombing—including one of the RAF flyers, then 85 years old, who had been haunted by the
event all his life. The book was well received in Denmark by the public,
television and press.
Alice
Maud Guldbrandsen is working on a new book about a woman's life experiences from
the 1950s until today. The focus is particularly on conditions in the 1950s,
'60s and '70s with regard to home-life, school, youth, marriage, child-rearing,
divorce, women at work, partner relationships, sex, and social conditions—with a contrast between conditions then and now.
Guldbrandsen
says, "As most of those who have lived through it will know, the world has
changed enormously over the past fifty years. My aim is to tell about this
through the eyes of a young woman who grows through those years into maturity—and hopefully in a humorous, ironic voice. The book will also deal with the
prejudices and mandatory norms and premises of then—as well as those of today
which appeared dressed in different styles."
Ms
Guldbrandsen's book will be informed by her own personal experience in a
variety of fields—as a fashion model, fashion photographer's assistant,
secretary, correspondent, legal assistant, free-lance journalist, painter and
publicist. A sample of the book can be found on-line in the creative
nonfiction essay, "Not for Girls," which was published on WebDelSol's "Writers on the
Job," soon to appear in book form.
Duff Brenna: Where does the inspiration come from for
your paintings?
Alice Maud Guldbrandsen: Inspiration comes from
everyday occurrences, large and small—what I dream, see, read, hear... These
impressions often seem to call out urgently, as if they want to be fixed in
time by being converted into a picture. Once that has been done, feelings of
satisfaction, relief and peace take the place of that sharp sense of needing to
paint.
DB: So you would call painting a "need?" You don't
just want to paint, you "need" to paint?
AMG: With the word "need," I refer to the fact that
many visible and verbal impressions are processed into inner pictures in my
head—as though my inner eye has photographed something that wants to be
developed and preserved. My situation, unfortunately, is not such that I can
paint whenever I please. Impressions, therefore, often are stored behind the
eye—or in sketches and notebooks. When the storage place is full it begins
suddenly to overflow—then it's time to break out the easel and oils.
 The actual process of painting is a pleasure.
It is challenging to work with forms, colors, the senses, imagination in an
attempt to get the images out, and in these moments I find myself in another
world— a place that carries me far away from everyday life, affording me room
and peace to unfold. It is a deep inner desire and compulsion which makes me
paint. If I do not satisfy that need, a sense of emptiness and want will arise
in me, much like what I experience (as perhaps cows do) if from time to time I
don't get to feel the texture of grass beneath my feet during Denmark's long
summer days.
So you could say that I paint because I must—but
it also brings happiness and pleasure.
 An example of listening and using
my intuition to work toward a picture is a little oil painting I did called
"Red Frog." A few years ago, my partner Thomas E. Kennedy came home from a
business trip to Iceland. In a restaurant there he had suddenly noticed a
large sculpture of a red frog which instantly and profoundly fascinated him. "I
want to buy that," he said to the waiter. "How much do you want for it?" The
answer came without a pause. "A million." Which, of course, was an ironic,
Icelandic way of saying that it wasn't for sale.
Thomas described that frog to me in great
detail, and a picture of it must have printed itself in my memory. About a
month later when he was out on another business trip, I had the sudden urge to
sit down and paint on cotton paper with oil sticks. I didn't have any specific
motif in mind, just sat down and let my thoughts fly and my eyes glide around
the room. Then my eye fell on a paperweight I have—a little heavy green
frog—that I'd set down on some books. Immediately the big red frog sprang into
my mind, and I started painting.
When the little painting was finished, I leaned
it up against a lamp to dry on a bureau in our living room—and more or less
forgot about it.
Thomas came home, and a couple of hours later I
heard him call out from the living room, "Where did you get this frog? That's
exactly how it looked!" I saw him standing there with the picture of the frog
in his hand. I was surprised and glad, but cannot explain how the Icelandic
frog came to be depicted correctly in my painting. The painting immediately
received the title "Red Frog" and I gave it to Thomas for his birthday that
year. Today I would rather have called it "Prince."
DB: I heard an artist say once that his art was a
substitute for the psychiatrist's couch. Do you understand what he was talking
about? Is your art a form of therapy?
 AMG: Well I certainly understand what he is talking
about. Now and then I also use painting as a kind of conscious therapy—for
example, my red self-portrait, entitled "Liberation" from 1995. At that time I
was still living in a fog of silence about what happened to me as a child in
the war—the allied bombing of my grade school, and my live burial in the rubble
for several hours—I tried to paint myself out of that closed-in and barren
condition. It was an attempt to "liberate" myself. And when the painting was
completed, I did feel liberated, unburdened. My book, Silence Was My Song,
was about those war experiences. It was written because I wanted people to know
what had happened to me and the other children who were at school that fateful
day. When the book was done, I felt as though I had been on a psychiatrist's
couch and had—in an almost literal sense—stirred around among the skeletons.
The result at first was the opposite of therapeutic, a reaction which only went
away recently.
 A little black painting came to be around the same time that
I did the self-portrait. At that period I was one of six artists working
together in a collective we called "Le Groupe." A year or so after we
established "Le Groupe" we began to squabble about various things. One evening
as we were preparing for a forthcoming exhibition, the atmosphere became
unbearable and it suddenly occurred to me that instead of painting, I was
functioning as a mediator for the parties in conflict. The courage must have come
from heaven, but the voice was mine. In the course of a few seconds, I said
goodbye to the bunch of them.
 When I got home, I grabbed my best, most-used
palette—a little canvas 18x24 cm, on which, because I didn't have a new one, I
used to apply thick black-orange strokes and gobs, a cross and a hole in the
canvas, which I then titled "Girl Talk." It helped. Painting the anger out—the
negative feelings disappeared, and I was able to decide never again to paint in
a collective. Moreover, I have a great affection for that little painting
because it reminds me that I had gotten a little better at saying no—a "virtue"
which has always been hard for me.
But much more than the occasional outburst of
therapy, what really characterizes my work and my inspiration is the materials
I use. A Danish artist awhile back pointed out that I paint and use some of
the same materials as the Spanish painter, Jean Tápies. At that time I knew
nothing about him, but since then have seen his paintings and read about him
and about the significance of, for example, using rusted iron in art. That was
a rare and good experience because I found that there are in fact many
parallels between his work and mine so I had to think a good deal about that
strange coincidence.
DB: As a writer I have written stories based on
dreams. Jerry Bumpus (labeled "King of the Underground Writers" back in the
70's) told me that he based many of his stories on dreams. I'm sure other
writers have done this as well, but I had never thought about painters doing
it. How important are dreams to your painting or your artwork in general?
AMG: Very important—especially when I listen to the
dreams that others have. Dreams have that quality of both surrealism and
fragmentation. But by putting them together and at the same time trying to
understand them, because it is the unconscious that is at work, I cannot help
but listen intensely, take notes and later try to translate them in color and
form.
I find it exciting to work from my own dreams,
but the dreams of others fascinate me more powerfully; as I listen, somehow,
inexplicably, I go into the dream and come out with a translation in picture
form—a number of paintings arose that way.
Thomas likes to tell about his many dreams—best
the moment he gets out of bed. The green picture I showed you was inspired by
one of his dreams. He suddenly jumped out of bed one morning and stood naked
in the middle of the floor, trembled and shivered a bit and ran his fingers
through his hair and with a groggy voice said, "That was a horrible dream, a
nightmare! Some small green things were crawling around on me. I tried
pulling them off my body and the blankets, but they kept coming back. I didn't
know where they came from. I looked under the bed and was horrified. A whole
nest of green unidentifiable creatures were squirming around there, and I woke feeling
myself trying to scream."
I was still groggy from sleep myself, but I
suddenly saw one of those green things, in my mind. Later, that little green
man appeared in the painting I called "The Green Dream."
Then there is also the eternal daydreaming that
has followed me from childhood. Of course that's another form of dream—but I
can't avoid gathering impressions from the world around me—human behavior,
nature, unhappy, strange and joyous situations. I fall into a kind of spell
and I imagine what these things might mean. Very often I create images in my
mind and then later paint them.
The strongest experience I had of painting from
my own dream came in 1995 when I was involved with another painter. He was a
tall, very heavily built man with a full beard, longish dark hair and brown
eyes. He had a charming manner and a personality most people could not
resist—men and women both. But beneath his somewhat Grecian exterior, there
were some hidden demons which slowly came out. Anger, fear and jealousy raced
around in him competing with his almost manic glee, spontaneity, devotion,
sensitivity, arrogance and humor. He often traveled to the Greek islands to
paint nature. Mountains and the sea were his favorite motifs.
After we parted, I was relieved, but also sad. I
thought about him a lot. Then one night I had this dream where I (like the
Greek ballet dancer he thought I resembled) found myself on the coast of a
Greek island. The water was lit with turquoise nuances, a thundering sound
reverberated through the air. Suddenly I saw his familiar face as a giant,
violent mountain that was about to slide down into a blue-black sea. His dark
beard had already reached the water's surface, and I shouted, "If you disappear
then wait for me in the border land, and I'll find you!" I woke in mid-shout,
but the dream was still very lucid.
 It wasn't long before I threw myself into that
picture. It's entitled, "The Border Land." The experience of doing that
painting was the strongest I've ever had because during the process I felt as
though I were in another reality. In a condition that felt free and timeless
and without borders. While I was working, I felt as though I were a part of the
picture which I remembered from the dream. I worked with a conscious goal of
expressing the border motif. No other thoughts disturbed me during the many
hours I was modeling the pattern in cement.
I remember clearly that I finished forming the
face over a whole day, in one sitting. I looked at the grey face and was
satisfied with the result which then had to dry. This is the picture I sent
you, both in full and from several angles and details. There was a "mystical"
sense of another hand involving itself in the work which I—the only time so
far—experienced in painting "The Border Land"—and partially experienced also in
my red self-portrait ("Liberation").
DB: Many artists (writers and painters and sculptors)
talk about the "mystery" of art, how sometimes it seems as if you aren't in
control, but rather you are some sort of medium through which the art manifests
itself.
AMG: Yes. When the colors have finished speaking, the
result is experienced sometimes as if a stranger has involved himself in the
act and guided my hand so that the art attains a very different face and
language than expected. Such moments seem to be touched with magic.
 DB: Where do you find your materials?
AMG: The materials are often taken from nature or by
accidental discovery—rusted iron, sand, cement, parts of plants, yellowed
paper, burlap, stones and many other things. Packaging that has been thrown
away and other small items are recycled in an attempt to give these things
another chance to express themselves.
DB: What primary pigments do you use when painting?
 AMG: The pigments I use are oil, oil crayon, charcoal
and acrylics.
DB: I noticed that most of your paintings don't have
titles. Any particular reason why you don't use titles?
AMG: That's true, my paintings sometimes have no
titles, but when they do, those titles are not meant to be taken literally, but
rather as a verbal gesture toward a non-verbal form of expression. What I mean
by that is that when the pictures don't have titles then I leave it to the
viewer to freely interpret the work in his or her own manner—which I find a
little bit exciting.
DB: Can you explain that further: "a verbal gesture
toward a non-verbal form of expression"? I love the sound of it, but I'm not
sure how to actually get a grip on its meaning when it comes to viewing a
painting.
AMG: By giving the pictures concrete titles, I could
easily be capturing the viewer in my own interpretation and in that way deny
them the challenge of finding their own. By calling my self-portrait
"Liberation" and the falling mountain "The Border Land," I feel I have given a
little hint at an interpretation, and that is what I call a verbal gesture.
The non-verbal form of expression is, of course, the paintings' silent language.
DB: Would you agree with artists like Marcel Duchamp
that an ordinary urinal can be a work of art? Can anything I choose to call
art really be art?
AMG: My immediate reaction is to say no, but . . . In
my view, the only positive with that form of so-called art is that the
installation only is found outside and is only available to men who need to
urinate, thus inaccessible to women, who thus rarely (perhaps never) experience
its existence. But since its ordinary design undeniably leads to thoughts of
a big, wet "sea anemone"—a cunt—it could maybe be thought of as a plagiarism of
nature's own artwork—and plagiarizing nature is not all that bad as Hans
Christian Andersen used to say.
But anyway it doesn't fascinate me. Just the thought of
contemplating a urinal in order to interpret its meaning is pretty boring.
Whether anything one chooses to call art can really be art,
I'd have to say that almost anything can be art for one person, but for another
that very same thing might be nothing at all like art. Duchamp's urinal again.
Art means something to me if an aesthetic experience happens
inside me when I look at a work of art. It's a moment of suspension, a moment
of total focus. The thoughts that are set in motion might bring associations
with my own life, or perhaps I feel a desire to explore the use of colors, the
technique, the intention, etc. I always choose a picture because of its
"language," the message it sends me and not the signature in its corner.
That doesn't mean that I don't follow certain artists'
work—i.e., an artist whose name might be among the so-called renowned painters
in certain galleries. But I still choose according to the experience I get
from the individual's artwork's form of expression—what I call its language,
expression, etc.
 DB: What artists have influenced you? Who are your
favorites?
AMG: My father's father, the artist Albert Julius
Müller. Thomas E. Kennedy, who is such a fabulous and lively story-teller that
I am often compelled to paint what he describes.
The Danish painters Pia Schutzmann, Leif Lage, Leif
Sylvester, Hans Kjær, Hanne Mailand.
The Faro Island painters Gunleif Grubbe (who lives in
Copenhagen) and Trondur Pattursson.
The American painter, Arthur Dove.
The French artist, Jean Dubuffet.
 Jean Dubuffet was, in fact, one of the founders of the Art
Brut movement in the 1930s. This type of art used to be called "The Art of
Madmen," but Dubuffet invented the much more respectful and appropriate
designation, Art Brut. That is an art type which I first came upon
this summer in Lausanne and it left me breathless. With this, you can really
talk about art as therapy—yet it is so much more than that, too. There is an
entire museum devoted to it in Lausanne in Switzerland and it contains a great
collection of multi-facetted works (paintings, textiles, sculptures, masks,
even small buildings and an art "village" in a jungle) by people who are or
were mentally ill, torture victims, war victims, prisoners, and many other
handicapped persons. What is exciting is that they are not "schooled" in art.
They do not work out of a tradition. They find their expression more or less
from scratch or from a hodgepodge of influences. It is a kind of outsider art.
I had seen other examples of it at an exhibition when I was studying art at
Converse College in South Carolina a few years ago, but my time in Lausanne is
certainly one of the most aesthetically inspiring experiences I have ever had.
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